Star Eater: Documentation of an Issue with the Sony Cameras for Astrophotography (and How to Fix It)

This article includes documentation of the so-called “Star Eater” issue with certain Sony cameras and long exposures of the night sky. 

Update October, 2020:

According to multiple sources, including this video from Alan Stankevitz, the Sony a7SIII exhibits noticeable star eating noise reduction in its video mode at ISOs of 102400 and higher.

Update December, 2018:

With the discovery of a workaround, and improvement in the noise reduction algorithm in the Sony Mark III Alpha cameras (a7III and a7RIII), I have updated the title of this post and I have appended the content of my workaround post and elements of my a7III review to show what users can expect from these cameras. I still recommend Sony cameras for astrophotography, especially the new a7III and I still use the original a7S as my primary astrophotography camera. Those interested or concerned about the issue can read about how to avoid it here.

Documentation of the Problem

In 2016, Sony purportedly made firmware changes to their two flagship a7 series cameras (the a7RII and a7SII). The update (believed to be 3.30 on the a7RII and 2.10 on the a7SII) was supposed to include improvements for radio controlled lighting and overall camera stability and temperature control. But hidden in these improvements is a change that affects the image quality when shooting long exposures, particularly astrophotos. The problem has been dubbed “Star Eater” by others in the astro community. The issue also affected, from day one, the original line of a7 cameras when used in Bulb mode and the problem persists through out Sony’s latest line of cameras including the a9 and a7RIII.

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Full resolution examples of the “Star Eater” issue are available for download here (.zip, 8.4MB). (a7S, 30s camera timed vs 96s Bulb)

The “Star Eater” problem is a form of software spatial filtering designed to reduce noise in photos, particularly hot pixels. Unfortunately, the rather rudimentary filtering algorithm that Sony is using easily mistakes sharp pinpoint stars for noise, nearly deleting them from the image or greatly reducing their brightness. The result is an astrophoto with less stars and the appearance of diminished resolution. Sony a7RII, a7SII and a7RIII cameras exhibit this problem for all exposure times longer than 3.2″. Furthermore, the “Star Eater” issue affects RAW images (whether uncompressed or not) and cannot be disabled by any means. There are no user selectable settings that will prevent these cameras from eating stars.

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Comparison of an unaffected exposure with a “Star Eater” exposure at 100% crop. (a7S, 30s camera timed vs 96s Bulb, tracked)

I have confirmed the issue myself and it has been discussed and analyzed many times on other places around the online photography community, particularly on the DPReview forums, Cloudy Nights, Jim Kasson’s Last Word, and more recently on Sony Alpha Rumors.

Bad spatial filtering isn’t new to Sony’s Alpha cameras. Even with the older firmware, all recent Sony alpha mirrorless cameras including the a6000, a6300, a6500, a7S, a7R, a7, a7II, a7SII and a7RII exhibit, in different ways, the “Star Eater” issue when using the Bulb exposure mode (my examples above are from the a7S in Bulb Mode). Untracked landscape astrophotography rarely requires exposures longer than 30″ so I found that the issue rarely affected my photography. (Most of my exposures are made between 5 and 20 seconds.)

The Workaround

Sony a7SII Continuous Drive Mode
Star Eater Workaround: Enable Continuous Drive Shutter Mode

In a December 2017 post, Jim Kasson talked about a potential workaround on the a7RII. The fix is certainly counter-intuitive: enabling continuous drive mode while shooting long exposures. In his analysis, Jim shows that by enabling the continuous drive mode, the a7RII no longer exhibits the same behavior of the star-eating algorithm. Jim’s original analysis was only of the a7RII so I was curious to see if the same workaround would work on the a7SII. I had a friend supply some sample dark-frames from his a7SII and I took a close look at the files. Sure enough, enabling continuous mode seemed to prevent the star eater problem from occurring. I sent the frames to Jim for his final analysis of the a7SII star eater workaround which he has published here.

  • So the good news: a7RII and a7SII users can circumvent the Sony star eater issue by shooting with continuous shutter mode enabled. Either regular “Continuous” or “Continuous Speed Priority” shutter modes will work.
  • The bad news: by enabling continuous shutter mode, the color depth of the raw files is reduced to 12-bit. This means that the file is losing some dynamic range capability and may show some increase in noise. In all practicality, the results should be more desirable for astrophotography than the star-eaten files.

This workaround is a welcome find for owners of the a7RII and a7SII who enjoy shooting astrophotography but it’s still only a partial fix. Using the workaround, bit-depth is slightly reduced, limiting the dynamic range of the resulting photographs.

Should you care?

Maybe. I’ll admit that it is a problem that requires a fair bit of pixel peeping. Fellow landscape astrophotographer Michael Frye has made a great analysis of what you can expect from the a7RII. All told, some photographers might never even notice the issue. But as our community shifts more and more towards the enthusiast, to the photographer who really cares about the finest capability of their equipment, it’s an issue that I want to document.

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Without using the workaround, the a7SII in particular is affected very greatly by this issue because of its lower resolution sensor. It was a camera that launched with praise about its low light capability and now I highly discourage you use an a7SII for astrophotography. Want to know how each camera is affected by the issue? Here’s a summary of the differences between each camera and recommendations on how to deal with it:

  • Sony a7
    • Camera timed exposures up to 30s unaffected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
  • Sony a7R
    • Camera timed exposures up to 30s unaffected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
    • This camera not recommended for tracked astrophotography.
  • Sony a7S
    • Camera timed exposures up to 30s unaffected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Because of the lower resolution sensor (12MP), star eater issue for Bulb exposures is significantly more apparent.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
    • This camera not recommended for tracked astrophotography.
  • Sony a7II
    • Camera timed exposures up to 30s unaffected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
    • This camera not recommended for tracked astrophotography.
  • Sony a7SII
    • Camera timed exposures longer than 3.2s affected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Because of the lower resolution sensor (12MP), star eater issue is significantly more apparent.
    • Recommendation: Use continuous shutter mode. Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
  • Sony a7RII
    • Camera timed exposures longer than 3.2s affected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Continuous Low and High modes are a potential workaround, but with a reduction to 12-bit color depth.
    • Recommendation: Use continuous shutter mode. The issue is mostly hidden by this camera’s higher resolution sensor. Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
  • Sony a9
    • All timed exposures affected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures. The issue can be partially hidden by this camera’s higher resolution sensor. Use longer than recommended exposure times to increase star trailing to reduce the effects of star eater.
  • Sony a7RIII
    • Camera timed exposures longer than 3.2s affected.
    • Shows improvement over a7RII.
    • Recommendation: The issue is mostly hidden by this camera’s higher resolution sensor. Use of long enough exposure times to increase star trailing will reduce the effects of star eater.
  • Sony a7III
    • Camera timed exposures longer than 3.2s affected.
    • Shows improvement over previous generation
    • Recommendation: The issue is mostly hidden by this camera’s higher resolution sensor and improved algorithm. Use of long enough exposure times to increase star trailing will reduce the effects of star eater.

Improvements in the Sony a7III

The below section is an excerpt from my a7III review.

The a7III exhibits a similar, but different characteristic noise filtering as previous generations. The filtering reduces noise and diminishes the brightness of small dim stars in an image for exposures of 4 seconds or longer. An easy way to see the effects of star-eater on the a7III is to simply compare a 3.2s exposure (left) with a 4s exposure (right):

Sony a7III Star Eater
A comparison between a 3.2s exposure and a 4s exposure makes apparent that the a7III still has some built-in noise reduction that affects stars.

There’s definitely a difference in the 4 s exposure when compared to the 3.2 second exposure. At 4 seconds, noise is reduced dramatically and dim stars are further diminished in brightness, a clear indicator that Sony is filtering out the higher frequency noise and taking some stars with it. So star-eater is still present, but how does the problem compare with previous generations and how detrimental is it to actual shooting?

A 3.2 to 4 second exposure is a little short for most landscape astrophotos. Let’s take a look at a slightly more realistic 8 second exposure, compared with a previous generation camera that exhibits the star-eater issue (the a7S in Bulb-timed shooting mode). At 8 seconds long, on an 18mm lens, the stars should hopefully “burn-in” more and be less susceptible to the star-eater issue.

The comparison below shows an 8s star-eater exposure from the original generation a7S on the left (8s, Bulb-timed) versus a standard camera-timed 8s exposure from the a7III on the right. The a7S image was scaled to match for comparison purposes.

Sony a7S vs a7III Star Eater
Compared to a star-eaten Bulb-timed image on the older Sony a7S, the a7III does a much better job at resolving dim stars.

As you can see, the 8s a7III (right) shot looks a lot better than the star-eaten a7S Bulb shot (left). The a7S Bulb shot (left) shows some weird color shifted or blocky looking stars that appear a little bit defocused as a results of the old a7S’s spatial filtering (star-eater) in Bulb mode. The a7III shot shows more dim stars and stars appear markedly sharper than in the old a7S Bulb shot. Stars look “normal” in the a7III shot. This result is great news for astrophotographers looking to get the a7III.

If we compare details from that same 8s image from the a7III with an 8s non-star-eater (camera-timed) image from the a7S, differences become significantly less noticeable. The a7S image was scaled to match for comparison purposes.

Sony a7S vs a7III Non Star Eater Comparison
In real-world shooting, the a7III output nearly matches that of a non-star eaten image from the older Sony a7S.

Here, both the a7III (left) and a7S (right) seem to be on par with each other in this direct 8S exposure comparison. The frequency and sharpness of stars look pretty much the same between both images. Upon very close inspection, I’d probably give the original a7S a very slight advantage in terms of noise but both cameras seem to do a good job at resolving fine stars.

So, there’s still some noise filtering in the Sony a7III, but in practice, it’s much improved from previous generations. Sony has obviously tweaked their noise algorithm a bit and the result is much more acceptable for typical night photography exposures. The a7III’s higher resolution sensor, when compared to the a7S probably also helps here. While star-eater is improved, it doesn’t hide the fact that the Sony is still doing some funky stuff to the a7III long exposure RAWs.

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Camping at Consultation Lake, Mt. Whitney Trail, California. Sony a7III, 18mm @ f/2.8, 20s, ISO 3200.

We wish that Sony did not apply a noise reduction algorithm as such to the a7III’s RAW files. RAW should be raw, unfiltered and un-baked. Ultimately, however, we really love most of the astrophotos that we’ve made from the a7III and we think that they speak for themselves.

References

For reference, here are a number of online sources that discuss the “Star Eater” problem:

DPReview:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58709160
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/55841466

Cloudy Nights:

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/498339-sony-a7s-star-eater-algorithm/
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/505754-another-real-world-example-of-sonys-star-eater-problem/
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/558230-star-eater-in-action-sony-a7rii/

SAR:

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/specific-a7sii-astrophotography-fix-request/#disqus_thread

Sony Community:

https://community.sony.com/t5/Alpha-NEX-Cameras/Star-eater-in-bulb-mode/td-p/508740

From Jim Kasson:

http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/spacial-filtering-of-raw-images-by-sony-a7s-a7ii/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/sony-a7rii-long-exposure-spatial-filtering-with-fw-3-30/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/16486/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/lenr-and-sony-a7rii-fw-3-30-lowpass-filteering/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/reverse-engineering-the-sony-a7rii-long-exposure-spatial-filtering/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/sony-a7rii-bulb-spatial-filtering/

Jim Kasson has written about a possible workaround on the a7RII by using “Continuous High or Continuous Low” modes.

276 Replies to “Star Eater: Documentation of an Issue with the Sony Cameras for Astrophotography (and How to Fix It)”

  1. “I’m just hoping that we can get Sony’s attention so they can issue a firmware fix.”

    And I thank you for that. We have been trying to do that for what seems like a couple years at least to no avail. At least my a7S can do 3o” exposures – thank God I did not do the latest firmware update! Obviously for tripod mounted landscape images it’s a non issue and a LOT can be done with a big stack of 30″ exposures from my GEM mounted camera, it’s just a ton of data. Looks like you still cant beat the 6D esp since it is actually supported mt MaxIm DL and other astroimaging software unlike Sony.

    1. It’s much understanding that the a7s has the star eater phenomenon only in Bulb mode no matter which firmware version you use. It does not have it in any other exposure time. The a7sII, however, does have the star eater in Bulb and starting from 4 seconds on up. In this regard, the a7s is far superior to its replacement, the a7sII, for astrophotography. That’s the main reason I have not replaced my a7s with a newer model a7sII. I hope Sony hears that loud and clear. Some people are NOT buying the newer cameras specifically because Sony is intentionally degrading their performance. An easy sale for Sony has gone out the window.

  2. Hi Ian,

    I was considering buying A7RII or A7S but after reading your article i am not sure if i should buy the Sony. Can you recommend any other setup good for astro? Do you think the new cameras would still have an older firmware and i just dont have to update to the latest?

    Thanks in advance.

    1. If you limit your exposures to non-Bulb mode, then you won’t encounter the star eating issue using an a7s (not the newer a7sII; I’m specifically not upgrading to that model because of these astro shenanigans) with any version of the firmware. I use that setup adapted to a Nikon F-Mount Tamron 15-30mm VC f/2.8 and it’s great; it doesn’t get much better than that setup for wide-angle landscape astrophotography. The star eating issue doesn’t kick in on the original a7s until you use Bulb mode. However, if you have to go beyond 30 seconds and need to use the Bulb mode (for, say, deep sky objects), then people really seem to really like the Nikon and Canon full frame cameras. I have a Nikon D810 and D7200 for anything beyond 30 seconds which requires Bulb mode. It’s a serious hassle to carry around that many cameras for a night of astrophotography, but until Sony gets its house into order, that’s what we’re working with.

    2. I just messaged Sony on their facebook message page and referenced Ian’s article, let’s see if they message back 😉

    3. Thanks Kenny. I was thinking about using my Tokina 11-20mm f2.8 with whichever sony camera I get. I will keep an eye out for A7s. I don’t think I would go beyond 30sec for milkyway photos. Does A7sII exhibit this star eating even when its not in bulb mode on the new firmware?

    4. Harris,

      As I understand it, the a7sII behaved like the a7s with older firmware. That is, the star eater kicked in only during Bulb mode. However, the more recent firmware had the star eater kick in after 4 seconds even when you weren’t in Bulb mode on the a7sII. Since just about all astrophotography requires exposurs longer than 4 seconds, this “enhancement” to the a7sII makes the a7s the clear winner when comparing the two strictly for astrophotography. As a result, I’m holding off on buying any newer bodies and Sony-branded lenses since the lenses themselves sometimes require firmware updates to the camera in order to work properly.

    5. I was hoping to get a used A7RII but I read this article just in time. Maybe I will find A7rII with an older firmware somewhere. Even the older A7s costs a lot. Its a shame sony hasn’t done anything so far to fix this issue.

  3. Sony doesn’t answer us, Sony doesn’t react, Sony doesn’t communicate with us, and it seems they do nothing to this star eater algorithm…

    I think it’s time to make a massive social media blow now!

    We should hit sony twitter and facebook sites and post all these links. It did work with uncompressed RAW case some time ago!

    1. I agree, we should start massive social media attention & action against Sony. It’s time to step up. I suggest Ian Norman to start a petition in Change.org , and post the link in this blog so everyone can sign, not only Sony A7 owners, but friends & Families can also support. This will seriously get Sony attention. I remember I had Macbook Pro 2011 with graphics issues, and Apple refused to repair, this was Global issue, someone then started a petition in Change.org, it took a while like more than 500 days and nights, Apple finally admits its quality defect and announces: MacBook Pro Repair Extension Program for Video Issues. You can still check mbp2011.com

    2. I think there is a possible bigger picture approach possible here. As a pro photographer, I am very interested in the new A9. Sony really appears to be trying to go after the Canon/Nikon pro camera market. That said, as a pro, it bothers me that their raw files are not truly raw as evidenced by Star Eater. As a pro, it bothers me that their response to this issue has been to worsen it with recent firmware updates. Is their handling of this issue on par with how they plan to handle others issues that may impact pro photographers? The Tree here is Star Eater. The Forrest is poorly baked raw files and response times to critical issues. If there is a “social media blow” it needs to be about the pro market vs. what could appear to be a niche market.

  4. whats the latest on this ?

    Is there any new info…or words from Sony…….the silence is deafening from them

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