Star Eater: Documentation of an Issue with the Sony Cameras for Astrophotography (and How to Fix It)

This article includes documentation of the so-called “Star Eater” issue with certain Sony cameras and long exposures of the night sky. 

Update October, 2020:

According to multiple sources, including this video from Alan Stankevitz, the Sony a7SIII exhibits noticeable star eating noise reduction in its video mode at ISOs of 102400 and higher.

Update December, 2018:

With the discovery of a workaround, and improvement in the noise reduction algorithm in the Sony Mark III Alpha cameras (a7III and a7RIII), I have updated the title of this post and I have appended the content of my workaround post and elements of my a7III review to show what users can expect from these cameras. I still recommend Sony cameras for astrophotography, especially the new a7III and I still use the original a7S as my primary astrophotography camera. Those interested or concerned about the issue can read about how to avoid it here.

Documentation of the Problem

In 2016, Sony purportedly made firmware changes to their two flagship a7 series cameras (the a7RII and a7SII). The update (believed to be 3.30 on the a7RII and 2.10 on the a7SII) was supposed to include improvements for radio controlled lighting and overall camera stability and temperature control. But hidden in these improvements is a change that affects the image quality when shooting long exposures, particularly astrophotos. The problem has been dubbed “Star Eater” by others in the astro community. The issue also affected, from day one, the original line of a7 cameras when used in Bulb mode and the problem persists through out Sony’s latest line of cameras including the a9 and a7RIII.

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Full resolution examples of the “Star Eater” issue are available for download here (.zip, 8.4MB). (a7S, 30s camera timed vs 96s Bulb)

The “Star Eater” problem is a form of software spatial filtering designed to reduce noise in photos, particularly hot pixels. Unfortunately, the rather rudimentary filtering algorithm that Sony is using easily mistakes sharp pinpoint stars for noise, nearly deleting them from the image or greatly reducing their brightness. The result is an astrophoto with less stars and the appearance of diminished resolution. Sony a7RII, a7SII and a7RIII cameras exhibit this problem for all exposure times longer than 3.2″. Furthermore, the “Star Eater” issue affects RAW images (whether uncompressed or not) and cannot be disabled by any means. There are no user selectable settings that will prevent these cameras from eating stars.

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Comparison of an unaffected exposure with a “Star Eater” exposure at 100% crop. (a7S, 30s camera timed vs 96s Bulb, tracked)

I have confirmed the issue myself and it has been discussed and analyzed many times on other places around the online photography community, particularly on the DPReview forums, Cloudy Nights, Jim Kasson’s Last Word, and more recently on Sony Alpha Rumors.

Bad spatial filtering isn’t new to Sony’s Alpha cameras. Even with the older firmware, all recent Sony alpha mirrorless cameras including the a6000, a6300, a6500, a7S, a7R, a7, a7II, a7SII and a7RII exhibit, in different ways, the “Star Eater” issue when using the Bulb exposure mode (my examples above are from the a7S in Bulb Mode). Untracked landscape astrophotography rarely requires exposures longer than 30″ so I found that the issue rarely affected my photography. (Most of my exposures are made between 5 and 20 seconds.)

The Workaround

Sony a7SII Continuous Drive Mode
Star Eater Workaround: Enable Continuous Drive Shutter Mode

In a December 2017 post, Jim Kasson talked about a potential workaround on the a7RII. The fix is certainly counter-intuitive: enabling continuous drive mode while shooting long exposures. In his analysis, Jim shows that by enabling the continuous drive mode, the a7RII no longer exhibits the same behavior of the star-eating algorithm. Jim’s original analysis was only of the a7RII so I was curious to see if the same workaround would work on the a7SII. I had a friend supply some sample dark-frames from his a7SII and I took a close look at the files. Sure enough, enabling continuous mode seemed to prevent the star eater problem from occurring. I sent the frames to Jim for his final analysis of the a7SII star eater workaround which he has published here.

  • So the good news: a7RII and a7SII users can circumvent the Sony star eater issue by shooting with continuous shutter mode enabled. Either regular “Continuous” or “Continuous Speed Priority” shutter modes will work.
  • The bad news: by enabling continuous shutter mode, the color depth of the raw files is reduced to 12-bit. This means that the file is losing some dynamic range capability and may show some increase in noise. In all practicality, the results should be more desirable for astrophotography than the star-eaten files.

This workaround is a welcome find for owners of the a7RII and a7SII who enjoy shooting astrophotography but it’s still only a partial fix. Using the workaround, bit-depth is slightly reduced, limiting the dynamic range of the resulting photographs.

Should you care?

Maybe. I’ll admit that it is a problem that requires a fair bit of pixel peeping. Fellow landscape astrophotographer Michael Frye has made a great analysis of what you can expect from the a7RII. All told, some photographers might never even notice the issue. But as our community shifts more and more towards the enthusiast, to the photographer who really cares about the finest capability of their equipment, it’s an issue that I want to document.

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Without using the workaround, the a7SII in particular is affected very greatly by this issue because of its lower resolution sensor. It was a camera that launched with praise about its low light capability and now I highly discourage you use an a7SII for astrophotography. Want to know how each camera is affected by the issue? Here’s a summary of the differences between each camera and recommendations on how to deal with it:

  • Sony a7
    • Camera timed exposures up to 30s unaffected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
  • Sony a7R
    • Camera timed exposures up to 30s unaffected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
    • This camera not recommended for tracked astrophotography.
  • Sony a7S
    • Camera timed exposures up to 30s unaffected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Because of the lower resolution sensor (12MP), star eater issue for Bulb exposures is significantly more apparent.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
    • This camera not recommended for tracked astrophotography.
  • Sony a7II
    • Camera timed exposures up to 30s unaffected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
    • This camera not recommended for tracked astrophotography.
  • Sony a7SII
    • Camera timed exposures longer than 3.2s affected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Because of the lower resolution sensor (12MP), star eater issue is significantly more apparent.
    • Recommendation: Use continuous shutter mode. Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
  • Sony a7RII
    • Camera timed exposures longer than 3.2s affected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Continuous Low and High modes are a potential workaround, but with a reduction to 12-bit color depth.
    • Recommendation: Use continuous shutter mode. The issue is mostly hidden by this camera’s higher resolution sensor. Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures.
  • Sony a9
    • All timed exposures affected.
    • Bulb exposures affected.
    • Recommendation: Don’t shoot astrophotography with Bulb exposures. The issue can be partially hidden by this camera’s higher resolution sensor. Use longer than recommended exposure times to increase star trailing to reduce the effects of star eater.
  • Sony a7RIII
    • Camera timed exposures longer than 3.2s affected.
    • Shows improvement over a7RII.
    • Recommendation: The issue is mostly hidden by this camera’s higher resolution sensor. Use of long enough exposure times to increase star trailing will reduce the effects of star eater.
  • Sony a7III
    • Camera timed exposures longer than 3.2s affected.
    • Shows improvement over previous generation
    • Recommendation: The issue is mostly hidden by this camera’s higher resolution sensor and improved algorithm. Use of long enough exposure times to increase star trailing will reduce the effects of star eater.

Improvements in the Sony a7III

The below section is an excerpt from my a7III review.

The a7III exhibits a similar, but different characteristic noise filtering as previous generations. The filtering reduces noise and diminishes the brightness of small dim stars in an image for exposures of 4 seconds or longer. An easy way to see the effects of star-eater on the a7III is to simply compare a 3.2s exposure (left) with a 4s exposure (right):

Sony a7III Star Eater
A comparison between a 3.2s exposure and a 4s exposure makes apparent that the a7III still has some built-in noise reduction that affects stars.

There’s definitely a difference in the 4 s exposure when compared to the 3.2 second exposure. At 4 seconds, noise is reduced dramatically and dim stars are further diminished in brightness, a clear indicator that Sony is filtering out the higher frequency noise and taking some stars with it. So star-eater is still present, but how does the problem compare with previous generations and how detrimental is it to actual shooting?

A 3.2 to 4 second exposure is a little short for most landscape astrophotos. Let’s take a look at a slightly more realistic 8 second exposure, compared with a previous generation camera that exhibits the star-eater issue (the a7S in Bulb-timed shooting mode). At 8 seconds long, on an 18mm lens, the stars should hopefully “burn-in” more and be less susceptible to the star-eater issue.

The comparison below shows an 8s star-eater exposure from the original generation a7S on the left (8s, Bulb-timed) versus a standard camera-timed 8s exposure from the a7III on the right. The a7S image was scaled to match for comparison purposes.

Sony a7S vs a7III Star Eater
Compared to a star-eaten Bulb-timed image on the older Sony a7S, the a7III does a much better job at resolving dim stars.

As you can see, the 8s a7III (right) shot looks a lot better than the star-eaten a7S Bulb shot (left). The a7S Bulb shot (left) shows some weird color shifted or blocky looking stars that appear a little bit defocused as a results of the old a7S’s spatial filtering (star-eater) in Bulb mode. The a7III shot shows more dim stars and stars appear markedly sharper than in the old a7S Bulb shot. Stars look “normal” in the a7III shot. This result is great news for astrophotographers looking to get the a7III.

If we compare details from that same 8s image from the a7III with an 8s non-star-eater (camera-timed) image from the a7S, differences become significantly less noticeable. The a7S image was scaled to match for comparison purposes.

Sony a7S vs a7III Non Star Eater Comparison
In real-world shooting, the a7III output nearly matches that of a non-star eaten image from the older Sony a7S.

Here, both the a7III (left) and a7S (right) seem to be on par with each other in this direct 8S exposure comparison. The frequency and sharpness of stars look pretty much the same between both images. Upon very close inspection, I’d probably give the original a7S a very slight advantage in terms of noise but both cameras seem to do a good job at resolving fine stars.

So, there’s still some noise filtering in the Sony a7III, but in practice, it’s much improved from previous generations. Sony has obviously tweaked their noise algorithm a bit and the result is much more acceptable for typical night photography exposures. The a7III’s higher resolution sensor, when compared to the a7S probably also helps here. While star-eater is improved, it doesn’t hide the fact that the Sony is still doing some funky stuff to the a7III long exposure RAWs.

Camping at Consultation Lake, Mt. Whitney Trail
Camping at Consultation Lake, Mt. Whitney Trail, California. Sony a7III, 18mm @ f/2.8, 20s, ISO 3200.

We wish that Sony did not apply a noise reduction algorithm as such to the a7III’s RAW files. RAW should be raw, unfiltered and un-baked. Ultimately, however, we really love most of the astrophotos that we’ve made from the a7III and we think that they speak for themselves.

References

For reference, here are a number of online sources that discuss the “Star Eater” problem:

DPReview:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58709160
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/55841466

Cloudy Nights:

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/498339-sony-a7s-star-eater-algorithm/
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/505754-another-real-world-example-of-sonys-star-eater-problem/
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/558230-star-eater-in-action-sony-a7rii/

SAR:

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/specific-a7sii-astrophotography-fix-request/#disqus_thread

Sony Community:

https://community.sony.com/t5/Alpha-NEX-Cameras/Star-eater-in-bulb-mode/td-p/508740

From Jim Kasson:

http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/spacial-filtering-of-raw-images-by-sony-a7s-a7ii/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/sony-a7rii-long-exposure-spatial-filtering-with-fw-3-30/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/16486/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/lenr-and-sony-a7rii-fw-3-30-lowpass-filteering/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/reverse-engineering-the-sony-a7rii-long-exposure-spatial-filtering/
http://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/sony-a7rii-bulb-spatial-filtering/

Jim Kasson has written about a possible workaround on the a7RII by using “Continuous High or Continuous Low” modes.

276 Replies to “Star Eater: Documentation of an Issue with the Sony Cameras for Astrophotography (and How to Fix It)”

  1. Called the Sony Alpha technical number just now. They answered immediately, and once I told them the purpose of my call, were completely aware of the “stareater” issue. I mentioned that I had just started to delve into this type of night sky “astrophotography”, and that I also have Olympus cameras. They were interested in a comparison between the two! Actually, I can do that…next time I have a clear night. I live at elevation in a rural location where light pollution is not a problem. It’s not a long trip to my back deck. Yeah, there’s nothing particularly interesting for the foreground subject, but the sky is the sky. I don’t have one of those Rokinon lens, but I can compare the 16-35mm Sony Zeiss zoom to the Olympus 12-40mm. I also have a Sigma 15mm fisheye adapted to the Sony and the Olympus 8mm fisheye.

    As for any new information from them…all they had to say was the issue was being looked into and if they came up with a solution, they would notify us.

    1. Oh…forgot to mention, but I have a Sony A7rii. The Sony rep did ask me to check the firmware version…it is 3.30. I didn’t buy the camera for Astrophotography, but I live in a pretty good location for it.

    2. After surfing the internet for Sony A7s stareater, this issue isn’t even remotely new, look back to June 2015, a full 2 years ago this issue was reported, scary since I own 2 A7s’s full spectrum cameras. I’m looking into the 6d H-alpha modification to see what that produce, I’d rather keep the Sony’s but will see what they can do about the “fix.”

  2. I sent an email to Sony in which I was referred to my “regions” Sony representative. After finding it difficult to find the email for Sony cameras I placed my complaint on Sony’s Facebook page along with Ian’s less than complementary article on their recent firmware upgrade.

    This is their response ………. We’ve recently been made aware of this issue.

    Good news! Our engineers are aware of this issue as well and are currently working on a resolution 🙂
    Once a fix is ready/available, we’ll be certain to let you and others know.

    Hope this helps for the moment and thank you for taking the time to let us know of your frustrations. It’s with this feedback, we’ve been able to bring innovation to our cameras.

    1. Thank you Ron,

      This was an encouraging message. Maybe sony is really doing something … Just interest: what area of the Sony Facebook page you mean?

  3. A quick update:
    Last week Sony asked me to provide them with test shots I made with my Sony A7S (FW 3.20 factory installed in a brand new camera.) I shot stars testing both 15 and 30 second exposures both with camera-selected time and bulb-selected time. I sent out-of-the-camera, unprocessed Sony ARW files. To my eyes, I can see a softening and diminishment of detail and resolution in the bulb files compared to the camera-selected ones. I now await Sony’s technical department to comment and will post their comments here when I get them.

    1. This is ridiculous… You have to provide the test images to Sony? Aargh, like they don’t have any idea how their own cameras work?…Now I think it is not worth to wait for miracles, this will be a long process….

  4. Sony is a Japanese company and in my dealings with them their culture cannot admit to or understand what a mistake is. They will resolve the issue but will call it an ‘improvement’ and if you keep pestering them about their mistake – which we all know this is – they will not be as receptive than if you ‘encourage’ them to make an ‘improvement’ to satisfy the many people who have the product.

    I once had a broadcast deck that would not work with certain tapes – seems they had an improper sensor for measuring tape tension. The deck simply did not work with certain tapes which was a serious issue. They fixed it and issued a bulletin that they called an ‘enhancement’ which I felt was very funny. They never admitted their error – it’s just their culture.

    Good luck.

    1. Thanks for your feedback, I think it’s the most sensible comment so far and probably one of the reason the many previous complains never found a favorable issue.
      I had a similar experience with Corean people; someone had written a terrible report, full of English mistakes, albeit claiming to be fluent. I made the worst mistake, though, sending the report back with all the errors highlighted..and her chief in copy. I believe there was a reward placed on my head after that.
      Dealing with other cultures is complicated, really.

  5. I just read the “Stareater” article, and called Sony support as recommended. I have a A7Sii, software 2.10,. The Sony rep said that 2.10 does NOT have the stareater issue, but ver 2.20 does. he did not recommend updating until ver 2.30 is out there.

    1. It won’t let me reply directly to you, but their response was that it doesn’t affect my models (a6000, a7II). I explained that it is being reported that these models ARE affected when in bulb mode and they assured me it wasn’t. Let’s just say I don’t believe them. I will be heading out to Joshua tree next weekend so I will do some testing myself. I will probably just stick with 30 or 20 second exposures though. It is a shame because I would like to do some exposures at 25 seconds with the a6000+rokinon 12mm f2, but I suppose I will just bump up the ISO and shoot at 20.

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